Tuesday, November 29, 2005
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| SPLIT | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | HBP | SO | SB | CS | BAA | OBP | SLG | OPS |
| vs. Left | 425 | 121 | 26 | 2 | 7 | 34 | 38 | 3 | 88 | 2 | 0 | .285 | .346 | .405 | .751 |
| vs. Right | 415 | 106 | 16 | 0 | 11 | 48 | 17 | 2 | 85 | 2 | 2 | .255 | .287 | .373 | .661 |
| Home | 412 | 96 | 16 | 1 | 9 | 31 | 23 | 1 | 95 | 1 | 0 | .233 | .275 | .342 | .617 |
| Away | 428 | 131 | 26 | 1 | 9 | 51 | 32 | 4 | 78 | 3 | 2 | .306 | .358 | .435 | .792 |
| ESTEBAN LOAIZA | W | L | ERA | G | GS | CG | SHO | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | WP | BK | h9 | hr9 | w9 | k9 | whip |
| MLB Totals: 11 years | 112 | 99 | 4.60 | 334 | 297 | 12 | 5 | 1,880.00 | 2110 | 1037 | 960 | 228 | 539 | 1255 | 30 | 8 | 10.1 | 1.09 | 2.58 | 6.01 | 1.41 |
| Minor League Totals: 7 years | 41 | 27 | 3.52 | 113 | 110 | 12 | 1 | 656.1 | 643 | 297 | 257 | 0 | 195 | 474 | ? | ? | 8.82 | ? | 2.67 | 6.50 | 1.28 |
| MLB Average: 11 years | 10 | 9 | 4.60 | 30 | 27 | 1 | 0 | 170 | 191 | 94 | 87 | 20 | 49 | 114 | 3 | 0 | 10.1 | 1.09 | 2.58 | 6.01 | 1.41 |
I don't get the Loiaza signing either. Gotta give Beane some credit though, resigning Witasick looks like a bargain now.
Which is just more proof that the FA market's gone nuts.
I think the Witasick signing was not that bad, but is the A's farm system so bad that they couldn't find an effective right-hander for the bullpen that costs less than $500,000?
Witasick is not a good pitcher in stress situations, you know, like when there are runners on base. Especially when he put them there.
I kind of miss the good old days when Beane used to get guys you have never heard of and plug them ito roles. Now he's just like any other GM retreding the veterans because they are veterans rather than working for a better option.
Maybe it is laziness.
Rob Neyer and Rany Jazayerli wrote that they thought the royals should sign Loaiza at 21 for three (although Neyer was a bit more pessimistic). http://www.robneyer.com/robrany.html . Loiaza was 26th last year in support neutral value added, right behind mulder according to baseball prospectus.
He is old. 7 mil a season is a lot for the a's. Maybe they think a better defense will lower his numbers significantly. regardless, it'd be great to be a pitcher free agent this offseason.
Jerry
The top 3 AAA arms the A's have are Maebus, Garcia and Flores. Both Maebus and Garcia are hard throwing RH pitchers (like Witasick) but they both have questions and may not be ready.
I agree with you regarding Witasick's abilities, but I think he can be used effectively in middle relief.
There's a report circulating on the free agent market this year that has been leaked to the peripheral circle of baseball and a formula for projecting costs so Rany and Rob might be working from that.
But to give a guy $7 a year when he made less than $3 million the year before for being slightly better than league average is blasphemy by the A's front office.
I think someone mentioned Jason Johnson, who would have been a better choice and cheaper. But if you're going to pay for pitching go the extra step and land a known quantity rather than a player who had one fluke season for the White Sox.
Overpaying for releivers is one thing. Over paying for a starter's arm when you have a full rotation (Harden, Zito, Haren, Blanton, Saarloos) plus two in reserve (Duchscherer and Kennedy) seems like a reach.
I do like the fact there is some honest reaction here and not a sudden gush to go buy a Loaiza jersey and cry about losing Zito.
What about Victor Moreno and Shane Komine? Why not use Braden or Windsor early and ease them into a starter's role even if it meant starting their arbitration clock?
I know, quibbling over a measily $1 Million. But this is what ruined the NBA - overpriced players with lack of talent due to inflated TV and product sponsor dollars.
It does appear that Billy Beane has slacked off, though. Where are the Chad Bradford's and the Billy Taylor's? The Jim Mecir's and the Jeff Tam's?
Witasick just reminds me of the Rincon deal.
Hopefully, Jose Flores can replace him, cheaply. He was really effective in AAA and Macha let him pitch in critical situations down the stretch. Plus, how could you not like a guy who is so nervous about catching the flight from AAA to the big leagues he forgets all of his gear in the trunk of his car?
Okay, I'll ask.
Did everyone just skip the guy ripping Slusser and Uyrban?
Is that right? I mean these aren't bad people. They are just trying to do their jobs.
What about Mike Oquist in 1999?
Was he a free agent? I thought he came up in the A's system.
Damn. Six years without having to sign a free agent starter and this is the guy they sign?
Loaiza will excel in Oakland. Time will tell us if BB paid too much or not. And he might be re-dealt....if Zito can be dealt, so can Loaiza.....unless you see Harden going through a year injury-free, we're gonna need a good 6th pitcher. I have to officially eat my words here on Kennedy: I thought he'd be a hell of a lot more effective for the A's than he was. He dang sure isn't the extra pitcher we're looking for.
Duscherer might be, but they won't move him off long relief.
As noted elsewhere, this signing, other than costing BB some cash today, does nothing but set BB in concrete when it comes to negotiating for another bat. Fact is, there are now at least 6 GOOD pitchers in the stable, and a couple-three definitively average ones.
Not a major coup by Beane, but a pretty good move overall.
Pat
Komine is coming off TJ surgery, he looked good in the AFL but he missed a year of development. I see him in AAA next year, it might be a bit much to expect him in Oakland. Windsor and Braden are in AA and the A's don't rush prospects. Besides, both showed they need more time in Tulsa.
I got nothing on Moreno.
Thank you! This signing does not inevitably mean Zito will be gone (a good example of lack of creativity in analyzing personnel moves).
I'm not sure Harden can be counted on healthwise, and I'll bet Beane isn't sure either.
By the way, who's José Flores? However, the A's do have a lefty named Ron Flores...
I like the Loiaza deal. He has a power arm, throws a good number of strikeouts, and eats up innings. His ERA improved last year and he's right handed.
The A's go heavy on HS'ers in the '05 draft and then give up their 1st round pick in '06. The game is indeed changing...
I hope everyone has had a chance to check out the bizarre Gwen Knapp piece in the Chron today.
Not sure what's more laughable...her suggestion that the A's trade Zito to the Giants for their territorial rights in San Jose or her notion that the A's struggled in April/May 2005 because the players were still sad about losing Mulder/Hudson.
Jesus Christ...almost makes Slusser n' Urban look like the voices of freakin' reason.
If YOUR editor told you to write something ferkrisakes cuz he's tired of seeing your pointless doodling, you would also write something as doofy as Gwen's article. If you were in a hurry that is, because lunch hour was closing fast.
Don't YOU wish your paycheck hinged on jotting down drivel like that and calling it reporting?
Right now, Gwen is saying 'mo money, mo money, mo money'.
"Don't YOU wish your paycheck hinged on jotting down drivel like that and calling it reporting?"
After the Hudson and Mulder trades, Ray Ratto went on ESPN News and predicted a 65 win season for the Athletics in 2005.
When you're a sports "expert," you can be comically wrong on a consistent basis and there are no repercussions.
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2005 DRAFT UPDATE
Q & A WITH JIM CALLIS OF BASEBALL AMERICA
Jim Callis is everywhere it seems at Baseball America. Jim recently updated and reviewed the A's 2005 draft at Baseball America. So who better to update us on Oakland A's baseball? Jim let me bother him a bit for a quick Q & A.
How high does Travis Buck rate as a hitter to other hitters in the organization right now, and how high does he rate over the last few drafts?
As far as a pure hitter, Buck would be up there with Daric Barton in the system and is probably the best the A's have drafted in recent years. There is question as to how much power he'll develop--which is why the A's were able to get him where they did--but little question that he'll hit.
The A's have a knack for drafting and developing players that don't appear to have 30-35 homerun power. Is this organizational weakness due to the approach by the front office; power is over-priced and better acquired later via trades?
Perhaps. But honestly, in a given draft, there are only a handful of players you'd project to hit 30-35 homers when they hit their prime in the majors. The A's usually don't draft high and rarely have a crack at them. My guess would be they're not avoiding power hitters so much as they'd rather take gifted hitters and hope the power will develop.
The A's picked up a lot of High School arms and several college pitchers ended up as relievers (Brad Kilby (San Jose State), Jason Ray (Azusa Pacific) , Brad Davis (Lewis-Clark State), Jimmy Shull (Cal Poly-SLO). Was this more of an attempt to limit pitch counts and innings pitched, or are the A's looking to target some of the draft picks as relievers?
I wouldn't read too much into how guys were used in their first pro summer, though most of those guys do project as relievers. Teams don't draft so much for roles as they search for quality arms and figure they'll determine their role with their performance.
A lot of people, including myself, were up in arms about the A's drafting High School pitchers. An explanation arose later, along the lines of 'there was inefficiency in the market and the A's exploited it'. While other teams loaded up on college pitchers that may have been borderline, the A's took some chances. Is this explanation about the A's draft accurate or are the A's shifting focus?
I'm sorry, I don't buy that explanation at all. "Moneyball" aside, I've done research and others have done research that shows that high school pitching isn't nearly as risky as Michael Lewis or others would have you believe. There was no great inefficiency in the 2005 market. The A's don't have many quality arms in their system, and they couldn't afford to ignore the high school pitching prospects any longer. I don't think they found any great inefficiency so much as they corrected a mistake. At the same time, I don't think they shifted their focus to high schoolers. They simply took who they thought were the best arms available when they picked, and those guys happened to be high schoolers. They still prefer college players.
I had asked Kevin Goldstein if Justin Smoak was the one that got away and he thought the A's took a chance they could sign him as a later round pick (yes, that's a paraphrase). As an approach to a draft, why would the A's look at drafting a 1st baseman, and then a 1st baseman they more than likely would not be able to sign...also, a high schooler? Was this a gamble or a possible mistake?
A gamble worth taking. Smoak is a switch-hitter with that 30-35 homer power you were mentioning earlier, and he would have gone in the top three rounds based solely on talent. The A's spent a 16th-round pick, on which the usual return is minimal, to try to sign him. Teams should do that more often in the later rounds.
Now, speaking of signing a player, how long do teams have to sign a player before they are able to re-enter the draft pool? Can we expect the A's to sign any of the players they drafted?
Teams lose the rights to players attending four-year schools once they attend their first class (usually in the fall). Players attending junior colleges can still sign after their juco season ends, up until a week before the next draft. The A's may sign a couple of guys in that category, but they usually aren't too active in the draft-and-follow market.
Will we ever see a NFL-like combine for players in baseball, or are the logistics just impossible?
It's being talking about as part of MLB's suggested overhaul of the draft and player development, but who knows if that will come to pass. I don't think a combine would necessarily help a lot, and I'd bet a lot of the top guys would decline to attend.
Let's skip to Clifton Pennington. There were some opinions by scouts that Pennington might move to 2nd base as he progressed. Some are adamant that he's a shortstop. Where do you fall in this debate? Do the inklings of a move have anything to do with Bobby Crosby, or not moving, a notice that the A's might sign Mark Ellis?.
He definitely can play shortstop. He's one of my favorite minor league prospects. Where he plays in the majors depends on whether or not he's a better shortstop than Crosby when he gets there. I think you'll see him in Oakland pretty quick.
Speaking of middle infielders, Omar Quintanilla was also a shortstop the A's were rumored to consider moving to second base and they ended up Jose Ortiz'ing him to Colorado. Quintanilla and Andre Ethier, looking at their numbers and approach at the plate don't seem to be players in the A's mold. Though, Ethier walked a lot more than usual in the Arizona Fall League. Is there a question here? Do the A's occasionally draft players they really have no intention of ever reaching the major leagues with the organization, but rather trade them off as prospects as they move up the ladder?
The A's aren't shy about using draftees as trade bait, but I doubt they really take many (if any) players they don't like but figure they could trade. Not every player fits the same mold, which is why you see a diverse array of talents drafted.
With Huston Street making the jump so soon the major leagues, how irrational do you think A's fans will be with future draft picks, like Pennington and Buck?
Oh, probably pretty irrational, but I think fans of every team are like that, thinking their prospects are the best and they'll be in the majors tomorrow. But Pennington and Buck should make it up the ladder pretty quick, probably getting their first taste of the majors by the end of 2007.
Jim was thanked and hopefully I can get him to answer some questions about the Pacific Coast League and Midwest League next week.
This is cool. The blog person asks some basic questions and then digs, too.
Better than those fluff interviews.
Can't wait for the next few.
Pennington over Crosby?
Wow. An interview with someone who knows what they are talking about.
Significantly better than interviewing a beat reporter who knows nothing.
Good stuff, Zach.
Keep tapping into those sources.
very cool...I love reading interviews where both the questions and answers teach you something
thanks!
Yeah, but he still has not answered the question of what happened to Iowa's 3-point shooting touch last night.